Thanks. and yes, it was when you didn't say it. lol Is there a resource where you just read about such things. I came from the Bemaniso community and everything is different but equally tight lipped and confusing and really much worse for not helping. I always feel like I'm bother people but if there is a place I can go and just read about all this and not bother people I would. I just have never found this place where it is documented what is going on with spice, pop'n version updates, how card simulation and scoring storage works, or server emulation nd what is going on exactly with that. etc. I would love to do the work to be in the know about all the versions and nuances.